System Menu 4.2 I know Nintendo hasn't thought about it yet but what would you like to see happen in a new system menu?http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,27004#msg-27004Sat, 11 Jul 2026 04:08:46 +0200 Phorum 5.2.23 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29285#msg-29285 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29285#msg-29285 Arikado OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 19:08:41 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29280#msg-29280 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29280#msg-29280 SifJar OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 18:56:33 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29262#msg-29262 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29262#msg-29262 TopGun96 OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 17:27:46 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29260#msg-29260 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29260#msg-29260
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SifJar
So how does CMDVDX downgrade IOS35, and why haven't Nintendo patched that in 4.0/4.1?
It deletes IOS35 and then downloads and installs an older version of it from Nintendo's servers.

For some reason, IOS35 is the only IOS you can safely do this with without bricking your Wii. (Other IOSs have to be written over with versions with higher version numbers)

As to why they haven't patched it yet, your guess is as good as mine. (Let's not forget it took them almost 6 months to add a dummy IOS 16)]]> Arikado OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 17:25:25 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29255#msg-29255 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29255#msg-29255 SifJar OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 17:22:03 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29253#msg-29253 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29253#msg-29253
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TopGun96
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Arikado
Nintendo should not ever be able to be patch it unless they completely rewrite how IOS works.

Which we know will probably never happen since Twiizers is smart and wont release it.
And also becuase it would be impossible for them to change the commonkey this late in the game ;-)]]> Arikado OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 17:20:29 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29249#msg-29249 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29249#msg-29249
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Arikado
Nintendo should not ever be able to be patch it unless they completely rewrite how IOS works.

Which we know will probably never happen since Twiizers is smart and wont release it.]]> TopGun96 OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 17:16:38 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29246#msg-29246 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29246#msg-29246
CMDVDX lets you downgrade IOS35 so that the NOTDVDX install method will work if necessary.

The Twiizers exploit is really very simple. It can use any IOS to install fakesigned content. I know exactly how it works but I'm not at liberty to talk about it as any pirate coder could create an app that uses this new install method. Nintendo should not ever be able to be patch it unless they completely rewrite how IOS works.]]> Arikado OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 17:12:29 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29239#msg-29239 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29239#msg-29239 SifJar OfftopicSun, 16 Aug 2009 16:45:57 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29138#msg-29138 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29138#msg-29138
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DanielHueho
Thanks Arikado... Hmmm, I always thought NotDVDX used some different exploit, because of that IOS35 downgrade feature...
That's because it uses IOS35.]]> Arikado OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 17:35:03 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29137#msg-29137 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29137#msg-29137
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Arikado
Regarding Twiizers new method to install fakesigned content:
It's extremely simple pure genius only Twiizers could come up with. As long as the Wii has at least one IOS, the method isn't going anywhere. However, it can not be applied to boot1.

Wow O_O
Is that incredible? =D]]> DanielHueho OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 17:24:21 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29130#msg-29130 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29130#msg-29130Regarding exploits in general:
An exploit is something that allows us to run unsigned code on the Wii. The hackmii installer is not an exploit. The twilight hack, bannerbomb, and smash stack are exploits.

Regarding comex's NOTDVDX:
All it did was download DVDX from hackmii and install it via a different IOS than the official DVDX. Twiizers would later release DVDX3.4 which basically did the same thing.

Regarding Twiizers new method to install fakesigned content:
It's extremely simple pure genius only Twiizers could come up with. As long as the Wii has at least one IOS, the method isn't going anywhere. However, it can not be applied to boot1.]]> Arikado OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 15:27:48 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29123#msg-29123 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29123#msg-29123 TopGun96 OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 14:37:18 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29108#msg-29108 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29108#msg-29108 SifJar OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 11:50:06 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29096#msg-29096 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29096#msg-29096
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TopGun96
Yeah but isn't the hackmii installer copyrighted? Therefore you couldn't release it because it is twiizers code/exploit

Well naturally, I'm just speaking on a theoretical level (I do that a lot)]]> cactusjack901 OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 06:24:51 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29087#msg-29087 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29087#msg-29087 TopGun96 OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 04:13:18 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29085#msg-29085 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29085#msg-29085
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TopGun96
But the problem is... Do either of those reside in boot1

This tends to be the problem. I would say Twiizers has an exploit that could work if they dig into it further, and comex's isn't an exploit that can write to the nand or fakesign, just run code (probably the exploit used in the Super Stack Smash Bros. video). My reasoning for this? Twiizers still installs the HBC somehow (on a similar note, if we were to disassemble the Hackmii installer, couldn't we figure out what the exploit is?)

EDIT: I noticed a flaw in what I said about comex's exploit. I meant that it could not be used to alter the NAND in such a way that would require fakesigning or something of the sort]]> cactusjack901 OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 03:57:36 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29082#msg-29082 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29082#msg-29082 TopGun96 OfftopicSat, 15 Aug 2009 03:06:10 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29076#msg-29076 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29076#msg-29076 DanielHueho OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 23:59:30 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29073#msg-29073 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29073#msg-29073 SifJar OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 23:46:33 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29072#msg-29072 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29072#msg-29072
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SifJar
I think he means finding the key reqired to sign BootMii boot2 to allow installation on those Wiis with a fixed boot1. But this is illegal, because it is using Nintendo's signature. Its like forging a signature in real life, on a cheque or statement or something. That's why there must be an exploit, like the trucha bug, in boot1 for it to be legally done.

Yeah, I guess I didn't think of it in those terms. Basically, what you're saying is it can be done, but we couldn't legally distribute Bootmii in that manner because how it is installed/signed would be illegal, so it's pointless to do it, we just need an exploit of some kind so we can do it legally]]> cactusjack901 OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 23:34:29 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29065#msg-29065 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29065#msg-29065
Keys are the last 1024 bytes (1 kilobyte) of a BootMii NAND dump (nand.bin file)]]> Arikado OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 23:05:40 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29053#msg-29053 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29053#msg-29053

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Arikado
They're the first (16?) bytes.
Aren't it the last bytes?]]> daniel_c_w OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 21:05:55 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29042#msg-29042 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29042#msg-29042 SifJar OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 20:42:32 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29015#msg-29015 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,29015#msg-29015They're the first (16?) bytes. View them in hex format to make them compatible with Betwiin.

Also, boot0 is hidden on a small ROM next to the starlet coprocessor. Good luck dumping that.

See next post by me]]> Arikado OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 16:38:40 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28994#msg-28994 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28994#msg-28994 cactusjack901 OfftopicFri, 14 Aug 2009 05:40:52 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28774#msg-28774 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28774#msg-28774 TopGun96 OfftopicWed, 12 Aug 2009 23:39:51 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28769#msg-28769 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28769#msg-28769 SifJar OfftopicWed, 12 Aug 2009 23:36:42 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28760#msg-28760 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28760#msg-28760also a game patcher would be nice.]]> TopGun96 OfftopicWed, 12 Aug 2009 23:15:08 +0200 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28664#msg-28664 Re: System Menu 4.2http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?14,27004,28664#msg-28664might have to unpack it beforehand. Again, there are better people to talk to then myself about this.]]> Arikado OfftopicWed, 12 Aug 2009 14:56:27 +0200