Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:16:30 +0100

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:12:00 +0100

No worries, I have time to wait for it. Just let us know when you think you have something and I will give it a test for you. Thanks for all your hardwork, I hope you are not doing this just cause I asked for a mod, I would feel very guilty if you were spending so much time on something just cause I said I could not get the regular version to work. Then again I am sure a lot of people would benefit from this as it seems to be a common issue. I am sure I speak for all of them when I say thank you for trying to get us a SGM that will work for us. Best of luck to you, hope you are able to make it do what you want it to without having to make it use the patched module. But whatever works for you works for me. Thanks again. Talk to you later.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:59:56 +0100

Thanks for the encouragement!

Right now, any IOS with NAND Permissions can extract any savegame. Dop-IOS MOD can patch the NAND Permissions into any IOS. In fact, it even puts them into IOS 36 for those of you take advantage of the "install an IOS that accepts fakesigning" function of the program.

The problem is installing savegames. In order to install a savegame, you need to have the Wii give you special permissions. The only way I've seen these permissions given is using a patched module in the warez IOS this MOD is being made to limit the exclusivity of. I've tried a number of different things to get these permissions set and haven't any luck. So I called up my buds Daco and Lunatik and now we're all working on it together. We still want to try more ways to set these necessary permissions, but if all else fails, we may end up giving Dop-IOS MOD the ability to add the patched module to any IOS. We're doing a lot of research and experimentation to try and prevent things from coming to that though. Not because that last measure would be a bad thing, but because we don't like using other people's work and because we don't want to inconvenience people who have already patched their IOSs.

So, in short, we're still a ways off from getting something ready to release but hopefully I'll have something sooner than later. Thanks for everyone's patience so far :)

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

cloakedguy — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:21:04 +0100

I've been hoping for a "real" homebrew save manager for a while... I'm looking forward to trying your mod!

ONE of the save game managers out there actually allowed you to copy saves for games which HADN'T been played on the system -- and it worked. Any idea how they did that?

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:56:05 +0100

Alright guys. My savegame manager mod works, the problem is just that it doesn't display the savegame list on the screen properly. However, you can still navigate with UP DOWN and A and it works just fine. This seems to be an issue of Wanky's insane coding style conflicting with mine. In other words, I need to simplify his stuff or make my stuff look as ugly as his to get things to display properly. Ugh! I've also properly centered my video display stuff, changed the default IOS to load to 36, and fixed a few trivial quirks in the app itself. Hopefully I'll have the whole thing working later today. Wish me luck!

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

PhoenixTank — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:07:13 +0100

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jbc007
If you want to copy the saves now, just install Tona's cIOS and use the origional Save Game Manager. Or install Startpatch or Priiloader. Either of those will be easiest, since they will allow you to copy the saves through the system menu just like those without the no copy flag.

I'd say this, but instead of priiloader/startpatch, use Banana Patcher. Works like the other two, but not permanently installed.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:59:08 +0100

Thats okay this app is a ways off as I still have many saves left to create and a site to build so I can afford to wait for the mod. But if it doesn't happen or won't work it is no big deal as the number of saves it affects is small compared to the total that will be in the app. Thanks for the info though. Have a good one.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

jbc007 — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:53:16 +0100

If you want to copy the saves now, just install Tona's cIOS and use the origional Save Game Manager. Or install Startpatch or Priiloader. Either of those will be easiest, since they will allow you to copy the saves through the system menu just like those without the no copy flag.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:18:28 +0100

To soon to be asking sorry. I have midterm exams this week and haven't put any time into it since last weekend. I will try again in a couple days though. Thanks for the support :)

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:48:57 +0100

So Arikado did you have any luck finding out what was wrong with the ISFS file system, or is it too soon to be asking? Sorry I don't know how long this will take or how busy you are. I was also wondering if I should go ahead and risk DOP-IOS MODing the system menu on v4.2 to see if that helps? Before I do that should I turn off my update blocker? Sorry I know it is a dumb question but I want to be clear because I don't want a full brick. This is presuming of course that you think it would even help. Let me know what you think and whats going on with the mod of SGM if you can and have the time. Thank you so much for all your help. Have a good one. Talk to you later.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

P.S. - Questions other than status of mod are open to anyone of course, BTW. Have a good one all. Later.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:46:19 +0100

I have run sign check and I do indeed have trucha installed on IOS 36. So to recap even if I trucha bugged IOS 70 it would not help my situation and it "could" cause a full brick if something went wrong, so there is really no need to do it. Also the issue seems to be in the app and not my Wii's IOS's setup so I should just wait for the fix and try again, correct? Also I have run an app before that required the trucha bug and it worked so I know it is working on IOS 36. Plus after running TBR I now have access to WW/VC cheats and Rebooter in Gecko OS which without trucha you cannot access on 4.2 so AFAIK it must be working. I guess I should wait for the fix of SGM and try again. Thanks for all the help talk to you all later. Have a good one.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:56:09 +0100

Sounds like the ISFS file system isn't being handled properly which would be a bug in savegame manager itself. I'll look into fixing it. Thanks to everyone who tested it!

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Anglor — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:40:05 +0100

I have the same problem with the app as elmoreas. I ran signcheck and found the trucha bug in IOS 36 (the IOS I was trying to run the app with) and I got the exact same error rev (-1017). Is there anything else that could cause the problem? (I have a trucha bugged IOS 15 that I don't need, but that shouldn't be the problem if I'm running of IOS 36, right)?

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

jbc007 — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:23:16 +0100

1) System menu 4.2 uses IOS 70
2) Your wii should be fine if you patch the system menu IOS, but if the patch fails, your wii will be fully bricked.
3) Dop-IOS Mod
4) I guess I was wrong about needing this for the rebooter, so it probably won't help with either.
5) There is no way to know until 4.3 is released
6) It should not cause any issues in the future.
7) It probably will not cause a brick, but there is a slight chance that it will cause a full brick.

Perhaps IOS 36 actually isn't trucha patched. Have you successfully used other things that require the trucha bug in IOS 36? Try running Sign Check to verify whether it has the trucha bug.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Crisco — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:22:37 +0100

You only need the trucha bug in one IOS to use the rebooter. I know from experience.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:33:37 +0100

No I do not have the trucha bug in my System menu IOS, just in IOS 36. So I have a few questions that may solve this for me.

1.) On v4.2 what is the system menu IOS number, 60/61/etc..?

2.) Is it safe to trucha bug the system menu, I mean in the sense that it is relatively as safe as doing it to IOS 36?

3.) What app should I use to trucha bug the system menu, TBR or DOP IOS MOD v11.2?

4.) If I get the system menu trucha bugged successfully, "knock on wood", will this help make the Save Game Manager Mod work too or just the Gecko OS Rebooter?

5.) If I ever update the menu to say v4.3 will I have to do this again or does the IOS stay the same?

6.) If I update to v4.3 in the future could this cause issues, ie having the system menu IOS bugged?

7.) Lastly, what are the realistic odds of this causing a brick or semi-brick?

In case you need more information about my system to answer any of these questions here it is. It is a White Model Year 2009 on v4.2 with a drivekey in it, so far the only IOS mod is TBR on IOS 36, it has HBC installed through Hackmii and bannerbomb, it has the drive that won't play dvds even with DVDx, the drive chip is a GC2-D2E, It has bootmii as an IOS, it does not have pre/priiloader installed, I have kept NAND modifications to a bare minimum in fact I have listed all of them here. That is all I can think of if more information is needed just let me know. Thanks for all the help, sorry to ask so many questions but at least most are yes and no answers. Talk to you all later.

Elmoreas

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:54:32 +0100

I'm currently unable to test my MOD and jbc007 brings up a very good point. Would someone else be willing to test it to confirm if it is broken or if elmoreas is doing something wrong. I took a peek through the source and there's nothing apparently obvious that I did that should cause a failure as all I did was change the background image to a title bar and change the IOS loaded.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

jbc007 — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:32:32 +0100

Are you sure that you have the trucha bug in the appropriate IOS? The -1017 error usually means that you don't have the trucha bug. Also, do you have the trucha bug in your system menu IOS? I'm not sure, but the Gecko OS rebooter may require that.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:37:07 +0100

Soooooo Close.... It worked right up to the point where you selected the save file to down load. At that screen, it just says to pick which one, but it does not list them, it is blank. When you go ahead and hit a it brings up some random file that has unrecognizable characters in the name field and some numbers that look like a USB Gecko Address below that. When I tried to copy that over, just as a test it says error rev (-1017) and I had to back out and go back to the main screen with the home button.

I think it will work, it is just a bug in the coding. I think I know what I am doing enough to do this but it is possible that I am just stupid and it is me and the mod is fine, but the blank screen seems to indicate to me that it may be a glitch, cause you cannot select which save to copy. If I could have selected the right one, perhaps it would have worked. And even if I could have selected the right one and it still didn't work we would be that much closer to a working SGM that doesn't rely on cIOS 249 which would be great.

Just for your information I was working on a TBR'ed IOS 36 when trying to do this.If this isn't enough to diagnosis and fix the issue and you need more information or want me to run the app again and write down what it says precisely and PM/post it let me know and I will do whatever you need me to do to get you the information. Thanks for helping me out and for all the hard work. I appreciate it, and it will help make our app have a more robust save game list when done so thanks for that too. Talk to you later.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

P.S. - I tried the Gecko OS Rebooter method both ways and it failed on both attempts so it must only work on <3.2 even if the IOS is fakesigned. Just an FYI for those with similar issues.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:10:56 +0100

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I did this in record time. Let me know if it works for you elmoreas (or anyone else who wants to test). If so, I'll release it for everyone else on WiiBrew.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

jbc007 — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:24:04 +0100

With the rebooter, you should be able to copy the saves through data management.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:21:17 +0100

I have the Gecko OS rebooter option, I just need to know how to use it. I have the system menu already DOP-IOS MODed. I also know to turn the no copy protection flag setting in rebooter to yes. I just don't know once the system is rebooted what method to do to copy the save to the SD card. Like run the game and save or go into the data managment and try to copy, or what. I was hoping someone might have done this before and would know. But I guess I can just test each method and see what works, if any. But if someone does know please let me know. Thanks, and thanks for making that mod Arikado that is very cool of you. Later all.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

jbc007 — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:12:18 +0100

You could use the cIOS Patchmii Installer. If you are on system menu 4.2, you will need to run it twice. The first time it will remove the stub IOS 249, it will install cIOS the second time. Or, you could use Dop-IOS Mod to trucha patch the appropriate IOS for the Gecko OS rebooter. Then that would work.

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:31:56 +0100

If you have one of the newer system menus (anything greater then 3.3v2 afaik) my understanding is that the Gecko OS method won't work.

And fine. I'll do a MOD ... (Should only take about 20 min tops anyways :p)

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:09:18 +0100

Considering what they are used for I don't blame you and since I would lose all support rights here and for moral reasons I won't be installing it. But if you make a mod then I would. That would be great BTW, I am sure there are a lot of people who would love to have Save Game Manager that are not willing to install cIOS 249 so it would likely be popular. It sure would help me out. I have over a dozen saves that need to go into this app that I cannot copy over at the moment, and several more of the games I am going to make saves for are likely to be the same way. In the mean time, any chance you know anything about the Gecko Reboot way of doing it? Does it work, and how? Thanks.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

Re: Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

Arikado — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:55:11 +0100

Save Game Manager doesn't work because Save Game Manager only functions off of a cIOS 249 and you don't have it installed. To be honest, I really can't recommend that you install one (or at least certainly NOT the popular one) ... Hm. I should make a MOD ...

Gecko OS Rebooter No Copy Protection instead of Save Game Manager

elmoreas — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:45:39 +0100

Even after running DOP-IOS MOD v11 (with success thanks Arikado for your hard work on v11 great job making it better) Save Game Manager will still not function right, even though it is set up correctly. I was told you could change the No copy protection settings in Gecko OS Rebooter Settings and then Reboot your system and copy the saves that way. The only problem is the person did not know how you copied your saves that way. So I have two questions, 1.) Does this method work? & 2.) How do you copy the saves over? Do you do it in the data managment section just off the main screen, or play the game and save, or what? Thanks in advance to those that help. Hope you are all having a good one. Later.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

P.S. - I am only so adament about getting all these saves over to a SD card and then to a PC because of the saved game app we are making for HBC.