Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum! When the WiiBrew Forums you're reading this on were created, they were created as the second WiiBrew Forums. The original forums had a number of problems with them, the foremost being illegal content and downright stupidity from users. These forums were launched as a masters cleanse, bringing a new set of rules to fix the old problems and limiting the advising staff to only the most knowledgeable people in order to prevent "moderation games". The new forums (that you're reading now) have a very strict set of rules and try to eliminate nonconstructive discussions whenever possible. This has greatly improved the overall quality of the forum since people are only here to work. A vast number of accomplishments have been made in the Coding and Reverse Engineering boards which have actually affected Wii Homebrew as a whole. The Getting Started, Homebrew General, Homebrew Applications, and FixMii boards have helped literally several thousand users with unique dilemmas. All of this has been accomplished in the almost 2 years this forum has existed. However, times change, and so do people. Lately users of our own forum have called it unfair, inflammatory, and derogatory. As an administrator of the forums, I take these comments very seriously. I want to promote friendly community that will solve any problem you have, so long as it is not for illegal purposes. Even if you do break a rule, I strongly believe in second (and third) chances. Even then, you are more likely to lose a few forum privileges then to be completely banned from the forum. If at all possible, I really would like to avoid banning people as much as possible. Like all people, I'm not perfect, I do occasionally make a mistake (at which point you need to remember to call me out on it) but I think I do a pretty good job overall. Instead, the negative comments seem to stem from the fact that people don't like strict and solely constructive discussions. I understand that we're all not coders/hackers, but there is no need for anyone to post a topic about a youtube video we think is funny. (Isn't that what facebook is for?) People don't like having their comments deleted just because they posted something ridiculous entirely for "shits and giggles". Overall, I think the forum is pretty lenient with such behavior despite the pro-constructive mindset that is preached. Despite that though, all of the administrators, moderators, and I do what we think is best for the forum following this manner. Yet, there is still a great too many users unhappy with how some part or some way our forum is run. In this post, I encourage you to reply by voicing your concerns and displeasure so that we may work to correct it. Beyond whether our forum is too strict, there is a great deal of other issues I'm concerned with that I would like to address in this post: The reverse engineering board is very quiet, and also rather large. I'm considering turning it into two forums instead of four. One for hardware reverse engineering and the other for software reverse engineering. Wii Linux is a growing topic of discussion among the internet (there is even a dedicated channel in #wiilinux on EFNET). However, it really only fits in Offtopic forum's criteria. Should we create a dedicated forum for it? Many users feel that I'm the only active forum power, and that we should appoint a new, active, full forum moderator. I actually disagree with this as I have yet to see someone truly qualified and I believe the other people are more than active enough. But if you, the community, feels strongly otherwise then please voice your opinion. This post was made because this forum is of a large importance to me and a great number of users. As such, when problems occur, we must work together to fix them. Since many people have made comments to me that problems exist, I feel it is necessary to have a community discussion. Similarly, I [b]strongly encourage[/b] anyone who wants to to talk about additional problems they see and voice suggestions to improve our forum. Thank you for listening, and all the best to everyone who chooses to respond and partake in this discussion. -Arikado [b]Administrator[/b]http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,42334#msg-42334Fri, 17 Jul 2026 22:29:37 +0200 Phorum 5.2.23 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46796#msg-46796 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46796#msg-46796
All of the changes we discussed will be put into effect immediately.

If anyone has any more suggestions or any problems to report, please open a new topic, send me a PM, or shoot me an email ( castlevania7689@yahoo.com ).]]> Arikado Feedback & SupportThu, 14 Jan 2010 04:30:25 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46750#msg-46750 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46750#msg-46750
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Did you ever get the font working, Crisco?

Waxy, the Big red font is a style in the style sheet you'd not be able to change it anywhere else.
Oh, okay. You could've spoken up about that a little earlier. :P

I did on page 5 :P

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If you have access to it, it's a style in the CSS. class="warning".
Lol, I didn't even notice that. Thanks for the clarification.]]> WaxyPumpkin72 Feedback & SupportWed, 13 Jan 2010 19:17:16 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46749#msg-46749 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46749#msg-46749
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Did you ever get the font working, Crisco?

Waxy, the Big red font is a style in the style sheet you'd not be able to change it anywhere else.
Oh, okay. You could've spoken up about that a little earlier. :P

I did on page 5 :P

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If you have access to it, it's a style in the CSS. class="warning".
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Did you ever get the font working, Crisco?

Waxy, the Big red font is a style in the style sheet you'd not be able to change it anywhere else.
Oh, okay. You could've spoken up about that a little earlier. :P]]> WaxyPumpkin72 Feedback & SupportWed, 13 Jan 2010 19:02:51 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46745#msg-46745 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46745#msg-46745
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Did you ever get the font working, Crisco?

Waxy, the Big red font is a style in the style sheet you'd not be able to change it anywhere else.]]> scanff Feedback & SupportWed, 13 Jan 2010 18:52:41 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46743#msg-46743 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46743#msg-46743 WaxyPumpkin72 Feedback & SupportWed, 13 Jan 2010 18:45:32 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46380#msg-46380 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46380#msg-46380 mdbrim Feedback & SupportFri, 08 Jan 2010 22:21:51 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46179#msg-46179 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46179#msg-46179
Edit: This is just my opinion, but maybe you should give SifJar the privilege of moderating the fixmii forums, too. He really seems to help out a lot over there.]]> WaxyPumpkin72 Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 05:56:16 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46171#msg-46171 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46171#msg-46171(Just my 2 cents)]]> TopGun96 Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 04:20:24 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46160#msg-46160 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46160#msg-46160 Crisco Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 03:00:22 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46158#msg-46158 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46158#msg-46158
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Ill mess around with phorum later and see if I can find out.
Yeah, if you wanna do a test topic somewhere to try and duplicate the feat, go for it.]]> Arikado Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 02:55:55 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46156#msg-46156 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46156#msg-46156 Crisco Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 02:51:15 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46147#msg-46147 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46147#msg-46147
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Have you thought about enlarging the size of the red letters? or is that impossible with this phorum software?
To be honest, I'm not even sure how tona did that in the first place.]]> Arikado Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 02:24:54 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46143#msg-46143 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46143#msg-46143 Crisco Feedback & SupportWed, 06 Jan 2010 02:13:05 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46079#msg-46079 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46079#msg-46079 SifJar Feedback & SupportTue, 05 Jan 2010 17:50:32 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46071#msg-46071 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46071#msg-46071
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OK, this is back to the idea of deleting posts. I understand the reasons why this is bad but here's another thought I just had. Maybe we should allow a post to be deleted if there are no responses. This would be good for brain fart post that I'm sure we all make from time to time?
Yeah, I tried but it doesn't seem phorum software will let me do that. I even considered rewarding the delete permission to people who I think are good members of this forum but it won't let me do that either (the permission lets you either delete any post made by anyone or you can't delete anything at all -_-)
Also, I want to thank everyone for being so patient and letting us all have a nice long discussion. I now plan to move forward with our agreed upon changes as soon as possible.

Those changes would be:
[*]A merging of the software sections on the reverse engineering board
[*]The creation of a WiiLinux forum

I have decided against appointing more global moderators. I think I'm active enough that it's not really a problem.

We also have two users that I would like to recommend get moved up to moderator status for the Getting Started forum:
[*]SifJar
[*]WaxyPumpkin72

In my eyes, these are two of the most dedicated users to the forum as a whole and the two most active people in the Getting Started forum. Consequently, the Getting Started forum is also filled with the most new posts and the most problems. I truly believe these two gentlemen are more then capable of addressing problems in there before I get around to them myself. If there are no objections to this request, and both users accept my request to them, I will make it happen as quickly as possible (assuming that I receive approval from the other members of the forum staff).]]> Arikado Feedback & SupportTue, 05 Jan 2010 16:42:14 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46062#msg-46062 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,46062#msg-46062 TopGun96 Feedback & SupportTue, 05 Jan 2010 13:31:30 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,45947#msg-45947 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,45947#msg-45947 scanff Feedback & SupportMon, 04 Jan 2010 19:50:25 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44698#msg-44698 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44698#msg-44698 Kammesennin Feedback & SupportSat, 19 Dec 2009 02:38:46 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44685#msg-44685 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44685#msg-44685
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As far as discussion of illegal things in certain situations... I think rather than trying to get support for them at the moment... why not simply let the mods differentiate between what is a perfectly rational and legal reason to use these things and what is not as they have been doing? I certainly can see how we're all giving Nintendo the middle finger with all this, and I feel the mods have done an excellent job of keeping Homebrew safe from legal repurcussions thus far. They know how to do their job, and they do it well, let's let them continue to do that without trying to pressure them into allowing things that just... maybe shouldn't be allowed.

The problem is that the advice given in a perfectly legal context, can still be used in an illegal context

Your post seems argumentative, yet it agrees with my point, I'm a bit confused here?

Sorry, I misunderstood what you had said when I had first posted it]]> cactusjack901 Feedback & SupportFri, 18 Dec 2009 23:41:35 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44651#msg-44651 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44651#msg-44651
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As far as discussion of illegal things in certain situations... I think rather than trying to get support for them at the moment... why not simply let the mods differentiate between what is a perfectly rational and legal reason to use these things and what is not as they have been doing? I certainly can see how we're all giving Nintendo the middle finger with all this, and I feel the mods have done an excellent job of keeping Homebrew safe from legal repurcussions thus far. They know how to do their job, and they do it well, let's let them continue to do that without trying to pressure them into allowing things that just... maybe shouldn't be allowed.

The problem is that the advice given in a perfectly legal context, can still be used in an illegal context

Your post seems argumentative, yet it agrees with my point, I'm a bit confused here?]]> Kammesennin Feedback & SupportFri, 18 Dec 2009 17:03:34 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44629#msg-44629 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44629#msg-44629
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As far as discussion of illegal things in certain situations... I think rather than trying to get support for them at the moment... why not simply let the mods differentiate between what is a perfectly rational and legal reason to use these things and what is not as they have been doing? I certainly can see how we're all giving Nintendo the middle finger with all this, and I feel the mods have done an excellent job of keeping Homebrew safe from legal repurcussions thus far. They know how to do their job, and they do it well, let's let them continue to do that without trying to pressure them into allowing things that just... maybe shouldn't be allowed.

The problem is that the advice given in a perfectly legal context, can still be used in an illegal context]]> cactusjack901 Feedback & SupportFri, 18 Dec 2009 06:26:11 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44625#msg-44625 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44625#msg-44625
I think the majority of us agree that avatars have no place here. I feel they would distract from the down-to-business feel of the forum. I come here and start reading things and actually learn a thing or two... elsewhere you see flashy colors and signatures that alter the display of the forum altogether and it just makes for a bad experience. I think having the usernames to identify us is plenty enough.

As far as discussion of illegal things in certain situations... I think rather than trying to get support for them at the moment... why not simply let the mods differentiate between what is a perfectly rational and legal reason to use these things and what is not as they have been doing? I certainly can see how we're all giving Nintendo the middle finger with all this, and I feel the mods have done an excellent job of keeping Homebrew safe from legal repurcussions thus far. They know how to do their job, and they do it well, let's let them continue to do that without trying to pressure them into allowing things that just... maybe shouldn't be allowed.

There were multiple subjects so far in this thread which gained support by various people until Arikado stepped in with a rather blatent and seriously overlooked point (simply because the various people aren't mods and don't have to think like them). And this, like those points I feel is best left up to the mods.

I do like the idea of upping the size of the red letters because... well, it seems to avoid certain things in IRC when you point out to people who join that they should read !rules. So if you up the font size, and maybe (unless Phorum won't allow for this), put it down where people are typing their message, maybe just above it or something, that way they'll hopefully get the point and not even try, thus [theoretically] making the mods job at least a bit simpler.

Reverse Engineering Board should absolutely be converted into two instead of four, much simpler, and considering the lack of use it won't be very cluttered... hell you could merge it into one and it wouldn't get cluttered. Seriously though, two definitely sounds good.

And though I like scanffs' idea about the coding forum, since Phorum doesn't allow for that sort of thing, I would love to see a sticky with all sorts of great tutorial links inside.

I don't know how important a revamp of the HomeBrew Applications list on the wiki is, but definitely I could see reviving the featured HomeBrew section, and if I still had my capture card I would love to continue doing the HomeBrew Showcase videos.

These are my opinions for what they are worth, and I hope to see a few of these changes some time in the not so distant future. (the wii-linux thing in particular). Thanks for taking the time to read all this, I hope it was somewhat useful.]]> Kammesennin Feedback & SupportFri, 18 Dec 2009 04:32:50 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44270#msg-44270 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44270#msg-44270
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I don't know anything about the repair disc, I was refering to modchips and IOS's that can be useful for protection from a brick or certain apps that require a certain bug to install that can help you recover from a brick and or prevent one. Also in particular the installation of a certain bug to regain full use of gecko os on later menu versions, etc.. But that was just one point I was making. I would like to say that overall the board is well managed and is a useful place, I only have a couple small complaints that admin should probably just ignore as you can't make everyone happy all of the time. Later all.

Sincerely,
Elmoreas

Restoration of trucha bug is now supported on wiibrew, via Trucha Bug Restorer and dop-IOS MOD.]]> SifJar Feedback & SupportSun, 13 Dec 2009 23:13:58 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44230#msg-44230 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44230#msg-44230
Sincerely,
Elmoreas]]> elmoreas Feedback & SupportSun, 13 Dec 2009 10:55:28 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44195#msg-44195 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44195#msg-44195 jbc007 Feedback & SupportSat, 12 Dec 2009 19:48:25 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44191#msg-44191 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44191#msg-44191 SifJar Feedback & SupportSat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:38 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44185#msg-44185 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44185#msg-44185
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My next issues is the rigidity of the rules, I think there are instances in which someone has a legitimate issue, such as a bricked Wii and needs help, in which the discussion of borderline against the rules material needs to be discussed to resolve the person's issue.

In cases like this, discussion of some things that are not normally allowed, such as mod chips and WAD Manager, are tollerated. However, some things, such as Nintendo's official repair disc, are impossible to get without illegaly downloading them. Although this repair disc is certainly useful, it probably is not a good idea to allow discussion of it.]]> jbc007 Feedback & SupportSat, 12 Dec 2009 17:29:42 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44179#msg-44179 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44179#msg-44179
Sincerely,
Elmoreas]]> elmoreas Feedback & SupportSat, 12 Dec 2009 15:11:06 +0100 http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44106#msg-44106 Re: Work together: Let's change (fix) our forum!http://forum.wiibrew.org/read.php?20,42334,44106#msg-44106
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I second no avatars or sigs. A pet hate of mine is GBAfail and Tehskeen users who list their console setup, complete with often trivial modification details, as if it were a custom car or something...

Woah, this guy's packing a 2GB SD card: cripes, I'd better treat him with respect!

I have no complaints about this place.

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by that ;). I just think it looks so stupid. I mean, anyone with that crap in their sig just looks like an idiot, who has followed the exact same guide as everyone else, and hence has the exact same cIOS crap and warez loader crap as everyone else. Pretty much all of them have the exact same stuff in a different font, perhaps a different System Menu or something every now and again.

/rant]]> SifJar Feedback & SupportFri, 11 Dec 2009 20:25:31 +0100