Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:01:57 +0200

Thanks man

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:41:31 +0200

Source has been out since before the projects were ever even released officially. See the checkout tab on the google code pages (browse would work too).

Anyone who makes any progress with them will immediately be added as a member to the SVN if they wish.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:14:29 +0200

Sad to hear but I understand. Have you or could you release your source so people can work on things like the turning and so on. To me that's the only real issue with Heretic/Hexen not being able to turn and strafe.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:54:02 +0200

For the moment, Hexen, Heretic, and DOOM are all on the backburner while I work on my emulators. As far as I'm concerned they are complete ports that work as well as they are ever going to without significant engine rewrite (which all of your suggestions above would force me to do). Not being lazy; They just don't interest me enough to continue to develop them right now.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:23:17 +0200

So Arikado how's the port coming along?

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:45:50 +0200

Sorry for being a nuisance I'm usually typing these from my cell on my third shift job. 5am get's very slow.

7:57am Just thought of something... I'm not sure if you can change turning rate on the fly seeing as there's no console in this game and it doesn't really have "out of the box" good pointer support. You may be able to do some sort of repetetive keystroke thing. example: within this x,y, -x, -y the turn key would press this many times a second until let go. If x, y, -x, -y, goes past that then the turn key would use it's default rate. idk maybe this sounds like gibberish but there's logic somewhere in there i'm sure.

BTW can't strafe and turn on my wii it stops moving altogether. :)

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:43:32 +0200

You updated Hexen gj. Is there somewhere you would appreciate any bugs info for these ports I.e. code dumps, sound issues? Ilm full o questions today lol... how do you handle the wiipointer acceleration/deadzones? only reason i ask is i have been wanting to look into coding for the wii but I have been busy learning python and about 100 diff. Other things.
An excellent idea for aiming would be to somehow linearly interpolate some sort of bar graph to adjust the deadzones, no turning/minor turning rate/and full on turning. Kind of how my logitech mouse or wacom tab let's you adjust sensitivity. It would really add to the accuracy and polish of either port.

I know it's a novel over here. Btw I understand the issues with the hd textures just throwing It out there. So to recap for the A.D.D. in all of us
1. You updated sweet.
2. If you want critiques or bug reports then where?
3. How did you code your wii pointer in relation to UDLR or mouse?
4. Would it be possible to adjust dead z's, minor turning and full turn speed using x, y, coordinates?

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

nightwishfan1 — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:39:02 +0200

^^No sweat, though another idea crossed my mind in regards to a comment you made before. About getting heretic, and hexen working on Wiidoom. Seeing as Wiidoom is a source port of the Doom game engine you might be able to view the source code of yet another source port engine to see how it has been accomplished on that particular port, and you may be able to replicate that code in some fashion in your workings of Wiidoom. For one I recommend looking at Zdooms source code. Zdoom can make use of games that are based directly on the Doom game engine. Heretic and hexen are both covered by this, as is Strife. When I originally made my post requesting Zdoom, or GZdoom (or both) getting ports I thought of how much effort it would save by not trying to port each game individually, and figuring out code paths to make IWADS run properly, cause the code was just there waiting to be ported.

Anyways the source code for Zdoom is in the following link: [zdoom.org] Also you may want to think about possibly merging the two source engines. Zdoom basically is PRBoom, and then some with some other features not seen in PRBoom or other source ported engines. Also the base code of each is very similar to the other as the Doom game engine utilized mainly C or C++ programming languages. You couldnt exactly stray from them too much.

Anyways hopefully you'll find something in that code to help you get an idea of how to make heretic and hexen functional with wiidoom.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:53:07 +0200

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nightwishfan1
Maybe add keyboards as a controller option? The game natively takes advantage of keyboards, and it would alleviate problems people have with adjusting to limited buttons that would require button combinations to do actions in game that normally would only require one button on the keyboard to pull off. This could be added to your Heretic port as well.

I personally can't do it because I don't own a USB keyboard to test this with. Sorry.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

nightwishfan1 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:36:47 +0200

Maybe add keyboards as a controller option? The game natively takes advantage of keyboards, and it would alleviate problems people have with adjusting to limited buttons that would require button combinations to do actions in game that normally would only require one button on the keyboard to pull off. This could be added to your Heretic port as well.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:50:45 +0200

Got a lot of requests about hd texture. The engine I used doesn't support them and afaik the engines that do all use OpenGL to render them which the Wii does not support. In short: It would be really difficult (if not verging on impossible) to do it. I'm personally not going to do it - sorry.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:18:47 +0200

Hey Arikado the Heretic ports coming along great GJ. Be the first to allow the hd texture .pk3's and i'll give ya a cookie lol.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:40:21 +0200

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reroshaggy
So Arikado any way we can try out ur Heretic?

Euhm .... It's been out here [code.google.com] for almost a week now

Also, I'll give your previous post a proper response later ...

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:28:23 +0200

So Arikado any way we can try out ur Heretic?

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 05:07:42 +0200

Definatly all that lol. I have been really trying to do a new project since my HL2 mod Belle Isle Asylum [www.moddb.com] has gone into coma status.
If either of you would like to persue some sort of gui, hud or other re-texture of either game i'd be willing to help out in that respect as i'm a texture artist and modeler. I'm also a musician with digital mixing, composing and mastering skills so even a song or two for your Customization of the ports i'd do. There is out there a couple re-texture and 3d model versions of the game like done with shadow warrior so maybe someday that could be implemented

I like seeing people keep these old games alive and these ports could end up on future console ports and i'd like to be a part of that.
Unfortunatly i'm not a coder yet, just learning python ATM.

Lemme know my email is reroshaggy@yahoo.com
random gallery 1 [forums.3dtotal.com]
random gallery 2 [2k8brothergrimm.deviantart.com]
I am taking some web development course to make a good web portfolio and add ALL my works to one site, there are plenty more than this.
Sorry if it's off topic but you did say HELP with hexen (or heretic) port.

P.s. I think light corona's and particles are a big improvement in these games to look towards.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:28:14 +0200

Basically everything you said I was thinking too (right down to the aiming rant about Q2rev ;-) ). Unfortunately, a few of those complaints can also be applied to Heretic (like the input) since I used some of his code. However, I modified his video code a bit and I'm using my own sound driver via SDL so I don't think there are any problems with my Heretic port beyond the controls (which I hope to correct very soon). Also, I haven't added cheats into Heretic yet, but I promise I'll use a much better cheat activation scheme when I do. Probably after Heretic looks and works really good I'll go back and start working on Hexen. I like Heretic a little more anyways ;P

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:52:43 +0200

Oh thank you for saying it first Arikado. Now I'm not saying that in time his port will not be perfect but at this time it's to me unplayable.
I know this isn't the right thread for it but list of issues are:
No wiimote pointer support..at all, it's like playing with nothing but the keyboard.
To activate anything you have to press B - hold it - then press A......doesn't work the other way around.
Graphics don't use any filtering so when you stretch this game that was probably intended for resolution 300 something on a tv it's unviewable.
Lastly the sound is clipped and fuzzy sounding.

I know this is new and knowing him everything will be upto snuff but ATM i'm dissapointed.
I hope if he ever does wiimote support he doesn't try and do the Q2, turn to a certain degree then have to press a button to hold the view while you swing back the other way...those of you who played it know.
Quake 1's aiming is perfect.

I'm gonna find if there's any forum of his to discuaa his project and the rest of my rants will be directed there :)

Please keep up with yours and i'll be here with whatever help i can offer, also please try and be the first person to implement effects like lighting bloom and highres textures like most pc port lol

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:27:37 +0200

Actually, by stealing some of his code, I have Heretic running on my Wii now xD

Also, I finally tried out his Hexen port, and I can't stand the controls. So I was thinking of modifying it a bit and seeing if I could be a second author to the project. Or, like you said, maybe just finish my port since now I know where I went wrong.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 01:55:18 +0200

Wow how long has this been available for testing? i have been searching for ports of dos games to wii forever (I'm a nostalgia slut). And this is Hermes (ios ninja)?

Also you should keep going with your hexen as there's multiple quake and quake 2 ports and between them all there's almost a fully functional one XD not that they aren't all great but ones controls are better and the others graphics run smoother so what can you do lol.
Maybe you and Herme's can collab on one cohesive port.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

realbrucest — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:24:54 +0200

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I (and I'm sure everyone else) would greatly appreciate it if someone would add this to the wiibrew wiki btw ;-)

Done (I think). It's my very first article so I really apreciate it if somebody could chek it out:

[wiibrew.org]

Thanks in advance.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:07:57 +0200

It's interesting he used HHexen as a base. I was actually using the pure Hexen base but used the WAD function calls of HHexen. I probably should've just swapped bases and maybe that would have solved my problem xD

As far as I can tell, none of my code is in there. So kudos to Hermes (I wonder if his build supports shareware and full ware Hexen as well as the HEXDD expansion?). I'm personally thrilled that someone accomplished this! I (and I'm sure everyone else) would greatly appreciate it if someone would add this to the wiibrew wiki btw ;-)

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

realbrucest — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:38:05 +0200

Brand new from Hermes:

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Hermes
HHexen for Wii by Hermes / www.elotrolado.net (based in HHexen 1.6.1)
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Preparation
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- Copy hexen.wad (shareware or otherwise) in apps/HHexenen

- Copy the folder 'apps' on SD

- NOTE: HHexen needs space in the SD to write files during the game.

Beginning
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- Uses Wiimote and Nunchuk

- Press button '2' to see the wiimote+nunchuk aid option at any time

Hexen Menu
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- Press 'HOME' to enter in the menu

- Use the analog stick (nunchuk) to move on options

- Hold 'B' and press 'A' to select in menu

Playing
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- Use the analog stick (nunchuk) to move in the game

- Press 'B' to fire

- Press 'A' (double-click) to open doors, etc.

- Press 'C' to jump (used also for special option Fly)

- Press 'Z' to run (used also for special option Weapon)

- Press 'MINUS / PLUS' to select ITEMS

- Hold 'B' and press 'A' to use ITEM

- Use Wiimote 'LEFT / RIGHT' to move laterally

- Use Wiimote 'UP / DOWN' to watch

- Press '1' to see map

- Press '2' to display wiimote+nunchuk aid option

Select Weapon
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- Hold 'Z' and click on Wiimote 'LEFT' = 1, 'UP' = 2, 'RIGHT' = 3, 'DOWN' = 4

Fly
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- Hold 'C' and click on Wiimote 'UP /DOWN' for flying or 'A' to cancel

Cheats
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- Press '2' to display wiimote+nunchuk aid option

- Press 'B' 5 times until the background color changes

- Hold 'B' and press 'A' for All Weapons

- Hold 'B' and press 'MINUS' for Full Health

- Hold 'B' and press 'PLUS' for God Mode

- Hold 'B' and press '1' for obtain All Keys

- Hold 'B' and press '2' for obtain All Artifacts

Download link (source code is included):
[mods.elotrolado.net]

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:20:07 +0200

Thanks reroshaggy, I appreciate the support.

I've cleaned up the source a bit more and added more debugging info and incorporated a few suggestions from friends. Unfortunately though, I'm really not much farther along from where I was when I began this thread. With that in mind, I truly feel that I've taken this project as far is it can go now without some help from someone. Sorry, I'm not usually one to abandon projects in this fashion but I've spent several days working on this and I'm truly stumped.

Build 5:
[www.mediafire.com]

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

reroshaggy — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 05:33:43 +0200

Good luck as I would love this (And a Zdoom - esque port). Isn't the wiidoom port based off of PrBoom? I only mention this because maybe to ease workflow you could ask those devs if they have any ideas. Just putting my two cents in sorry it wasn't what you were looking for but i thought the encouragment would help :)

I can't believe we don't have Blood, Strife and duke nukem ports yet :(
These games were made to be played ALA Call of duty: Modern warfare with the wiimotes.

Good Luck

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:36:20 +0200

Thanks ekeeke!

Going off of your suggestion, I updated my w_wad.c file to the following: [pastie.org]

Not it actually detects an IWAD ID in the WAD header.

My current problem with the file is that lump_p->name in W_CheckNumForName() is complete garbage and isn't anything close to it's parameter name that is trying to find in the WAD.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions you may have. Hopefully, everything should be smooth sailing (or maybe even completely working) after this is resolved :)

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

ekeeke — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:01:01 +0200

One of the first thing to take care when you port some existing code is the endianness. If the information in files header (id for example) is larger than one byte , you might need to do some byte swapping first.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:17:55 +0200

So I've written in some proper debugging code now and my USB Gecko gives me this output:

USB Gecko Initialized
FAT Initialized
SDL Initialized
SDL screen set-up
Global pointer values set
V_Init: allocate screens.
M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults.
Create Savegame path
Checking to see if HEXEN.WAD exists on SD ...
sd:/HEXEN.WAD found.
W_Init: Init WADfiles.
Wad file sd:/HEXEN.WAD doesn't have IWAD or PWAD id
W_InitMultipleFiles: no files found
Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon.
MN_Init: Init menu system.
W_GetNumForName: FONTA_S not found!
W_GetNumForName: FONTAY_S not found!
W_GetNumForName: FONTB_S not found!
W_GetNumForName: FBULA0 not found!
CT_Init: Init chat mode data.
W_GetNumForName: FONTA_S not found!
S_InitScript
W_GetNumForName: sndinfo not found!
W_CacheLumpNum: -1 >= numlumps

So basically, even though the file exists, it's not initializing it properly. My best guess at this point is to apply some sort of offset when opening the WAD file in W_AddFile(). Thats what the DS and iPhone ports do. I also looked at WiiDOOMs WAD code and it's completely different (of course, it's not based on the native DOOM engine) and doesn't seem applicable to this engine.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Here's the latest build for anyone who wants it: [www.mediafire.com]

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:44:09 +0200

I actually made a bunch of more changes because I ended up having some more time :P I imported in my usb gecko drivers and fixed up the sdl stuff. Now the problem lies in the W_AddFile function it seems. I'm literally running out the door as I write this, so I'll upload my next build with an edit to this post when I get home from my job.

Edit: [www.mediafire.com]

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

dancinninja — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:19:50 +0200

I got through half of the linking errors, but I see that you don't need me for that anymore. I'll try to help. Can't promise anything, though.

Edit: ...Wow that is different.

Re: Help me with finishing a port of Hexen to the Wii

Arikado — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:03:27 +0200

I finally had time to continue working on this today (still no responses from anyone btw).

I painstakingly took care of all the linking errors using the NDS and iPhone ports of Hexen for a little bit of inspiration to properly build the project. I had to make some major source changes in a few areas but I'm pretty sure I'm on the right track.

Now the program compiles. When I run it (using the full WAD, I haven't had time to test the shareware) I see something flash in the upper left hand corner of the screen and then the Wii freezes. My best guess is that the problem lies in the SDL initialization (It's very different from what was done on my other SDL port projects).

Unfortunately, I won't have any time to play around with this for the next couple days. However, if anyone else wants to, you can grab my latest build here: [www.mediafire.com]

As always, drop me a line if you make some progress.