i did just randomly try this on my wii... i used priiloader + MMM to get HBC v0.8 on my wii and thats basicly all i used... this method DOES NOT require any games....(so 4.2 wii's can upgrade after a format(that keeps priiloader on)all 4.2 wii's need is banner bomb) if u want this method ask me later i might be asleep in a few :<by anikun - The Junkyard