Updating the Forum Rules

Guys it's not my intention to be a troublemaker. As you can see this discussion was not initiated by me, I just felt that there were some valid points made by some other users which do need to be considered given the new policies.

As a final comment, based on jbc007 statement, I still believe it is contradictory. Why? because I don't know if he keeps in mind that the Wii is a game console, and some users still do use it as such. In order to play recent games such as SMG2 which comes with WiiSystem update 4.2 embedded, you have two choices: Either to update the menu or to manually install the IOSes required by the game (and sometimes other things included with the update, as I mentioned in another post). Given this, it is impossible for a standard user to play the new games while keeping an old revision of an IOS.

By trying to 'hide' this from users, you are not doing any good to them, on the opposite you are only being able to provide incomplete help, which might cause them to try things they shouldn't in their attempt to do something which should be simple.

There is an old saying: 'Don't give them the fish, teach them fishing'. Nobody of us was born knowing about IOSes and stuff, we all were n00bs at this once, and had to start learning. Not all newbies are idiots, some of them are just starting the long road and want to learn in order to achieve great things in the scene.

My .02 for you to consider.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2010 10:24PM by Axel.

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As a final comment, based on jbc007 statement, I still believe it is contradictory. Why? because I don't know if he keeps in mind that the Wii is a game console, and some users still do use it as such. In order to play recent games such as SMG2 which comes with WiiSystem update 4.2 embedded, you have two choices: Either to update the menu or to manually install the IOSes required by the game (and sometimes other things included with the update, as I mentioned in another post). Given this, it is impossible for a standard user to play the new games while keeping an old revision of an IOS.

The system menu can easily be patched with Starfall or Priiloader to block the disc updates. A newer game can be run through Gecko OS once to install its IOS, and then will run normally through the disc channel. Also, many games use the same IOSes, so this will only need to be done for a small fraction of games played. This is a minor inconvenience. In fact, it is far easier than it is to find a way to trucha patch an IOS after an update. Patching an IOS immediately after an update is often difficult, and sometimes temporarily impossible for the average user.

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By trying to 'hide' this from users, you are not doing any good to them, on the opposite you are only being able to provide incomplete help, which might cause them to try things they shouldn't in their attempt to do something which should be simple.

Keep in mind that patched IOSes are no longer supported here not because Team Twiizers just now decided to irritate people since only they know how to exploit the current IOSes. Rather, patched IOSes are no longer necessary. The only non-piracy related purpose for IOS patches is for applications that have not yet been/will never be updated to work without IOS exploits.

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There is an old saying: 'Don't give them the fish, teach them fishing'. Nobody of us was born knowing about IOSes and stuff, we all were n00bs at this once, and had to start learning. Not all newbies are idiots, some of them are just starting the long road and want to learn in order to achieve great things in the scene.

I will agree with that. WiiBrew really is the only place one can come for accurate information about wii homebrew. Everywhere else, information is often hard to find or simply inaccurate. This is my only complaint for the recent change, but we have to move on. IOS patches have been mostly unnecessary from the beginning, and it is time that we stop relying on them. This may be the only way to do that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2010 10:40PM by jbc007.

What is "vanilla IOS"?

I think for me being a noob at this whole home brew thing and still a noob at it, I think this new rule is fine. Anytime I saw something new and it had to be patched to work and the risk of bricking, I always backed away from it. I didn't really like patching ios's to make a app work, to me it was complicated and hard for somebody new that didn't understand most of it. I think being too from my stand point its going to be easier to have a app to load from a IOS than a patched IOS and run the risk being done wrong and then haveing a brick. I myself like my wii, don't play a whole bunch but do like to play it and want to keep being able to play it, instead of haveing a big white paper weight. I think in the end over all this rule will work out, and some adjustments have to be made, but in the end its for the better IMO.

In this case, vanilla means unpatched.

Ah ok. Kinda what I was thinking it might have meant.