What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 03:53AM | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 8 |
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Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 07:26AM | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 8 |
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Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 01:28PM | Admin Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 5,132 |
Obviously no. There wouldn't even be any piracy if a certain coder didn't misuse critical information from us.Quote
mahern4
Doesn't the whole idea behind Homebrew revolve around piracy?
While emulation can be used for piracy, and even if it is sometimes, it's really a misdemeanor compared to piracy of retail games. Also, emulators themselves are not piracy.Quote
mahern4
I see a bunch of topics involving emulation...isn't that piracy?
I don't have a single pirated IP on my Wii. Your theory fails.Quote
mahern4
I don't understand the whole Puritan approach. I guarantee that anyone who has Homebrew on their Wii has at least one pirated IP.
Oh really? So what media format are the Wii discs on then?Quote
mahern4
The Wii isn't even a authorized DVD player so technically even playing movies on it is illegal.
Yes, which is why you shouldn't pirate ;)Quote
mahern4
Before you can even go online through the Wii don't you have to agree that you won't use any pirated software?
Thans for overlooking the rest of our homebrew. Have a peek at this: [www.youtube.com]Quote
mahern4
So though the rules of this site everyone must only download original Homebrew games, or games ported with with express permission. All of which have completely original music, characters and themes. Who in their right mind would go through the trouble of putting Homebrew on their Wii only to play crappy games like Bubble Pop and pointless time waisting apps like Wii Physics?
Yay, you just admitted to piracy across multiple platforms of media. We can ban you for that :)Quote
mahern4
Don't get me wrong I love having HB on my Wii. To me it's the same as downloading music and movies. I know it's wrong, there's no way I can justify doing it, buy yet I do it anyway. Buy hey, it's free. And at least I'm not lying to myself by saying it's 'legal'.
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 01:50PM | Admin Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 5,132 |
You obviously haven't played the game. If you did, you would know that all of the artwork is fan made. None of it was stolen (AKA ripped) from a Nintendo game. Even if it was true (and it's NOT), pirating a rom is always more damaging. So you fail twice in that paragraph.Quote
mahern4
Super Mario War- Nintendo characters are being used with out the consent of Nintendo. It might be small but it's still illegal. Much more damage is done with this than with emulating some no name game made 20 years ago via a rom.
Fail. It's my Wii, I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Nintendo can not tell me what I can and can't run on my Wii. The only thing they can do is void my warranty.Quote
mahern4
Running game's on Wii without, again, permission by Nintendo. Even though these games are distributed for free Nintendo still has a say in what is distributed seeing as they created the platform that it's being ran on. This goes for all Homebrew products.
Your argument is getting weaker and weaker. The Playstation 1 is no longer in production. And using a Wii to play your old FF7 is legal. Besides, Sony didn't even make FF7! The only "deal" they made with Square Enix was for them to produce the game for the PS1 exclusively. Even though, it later was officially released on the pc as well.Quote
mahern4
They still sell 'Playstations 1's' for a reason...to play old Playstation games. Sony paid for exclusive rights to have FF7 on Playstation and not on other systems. Using an emulator to play FF7 on Wii defeats the purpose of that agreement and thus is stealing money from Sony.
Read my previous post.Quote
mahern4
Wii is not a authorized DVD player. DVD is an intellectual property and not an open source platform. Similar to Bluray or HD-DVD permission is needed to create a devise to play them. You can say that you're stealing money from whoever created, or ownes, the DVD format.
Correct. Wii is not an opensource platform. The homebrew channel and MINI are however. Homebrew is free, of course retail games are not (that would be moronic - even for Nintendo).Quote
mahern4
Lastly and most importantly, the Wii is NOT an open source platform. Unlike a computer where you can pretty much install anything you want, the Wii was created to have apps and games of their choosing on it. The Wii, and all other video game systems, was made to play their games. If you want a new game you have to pay $50 for it. You have to pay to play, in which Nintendo gets their cut. With this money Nintendo and other publishers create new games and so the system goes. Nothing is free.
If you want to pay for homebrew, go head and donate :DQuote
mahern4
So yeah, I'm sure you're rolling your eyes thinking that these things are no big deal. Well their still illegal. Is it alright to shrug off one law and be strongly against another? Do we put a monetary value on each law that we break? If so, the single act of putting Homebrew on the Wii would be the biggest. All the time people spend using and playing HB apps is time being taken away from the games and apps you should have paid for. As I said before, other than a pretty sunset most things that we enjoy we have to pay for.
Because you're not stealing money from Nintendo unless you're installing wads or burning games.Quote
mahern4
The only reason I got started on this post was because it was annoying to see the admin's on this site freak out when someone talks about wads or burning games. By putting unauthorized software on Wii you're stealing money from Nintendo. It just seems very hypocritical ;)
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 03:27PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 157 |
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 03:52PM | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 109 |
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Arikado ftw! ?Quote
Then how about: "Wow. Arikado is right. I'm not going to degrade my self to worshipping him, but he really does know EVERYTHING!"?
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 04:13PM | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 499 |
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 04:49PM | Admin Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 5,132 |
Not to get into a huge discussion about this: But Chrono Trigger 3D infringed on basically everything, not just the artwork (which I believed (but am not 100% certain) was ripped from Chrono Trigger). The gameplay, game design, story, music, etc. were all infringed upon.Quote
alainvey
For example, consider the fan-made Chrono Trigger 3D remake which got shut down a little while ago - that used original code and artwork, but the IP was still being infringed.
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 04:50PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 1 |
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 07:16PM | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 8 |
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 08:30PM | Admin Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 5,132 |
We are more civil. Please don't let my poor mannerisms frighten you away. I'll admit that I was not on my best behavior as I should have been. And from now on, I promise to treat you with more respect. I do regret some of my wording, as I was typing quickly, and would always rather teach someone like you than (for lack of a better term) "school you".Quote
mahern4
There's no reason to insult me by calling me a janitor or a failure. I thought this side of the scene was supposed to be a little more civil.
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 08:39PM | Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 276 |
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 11:18PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 59 |
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 11:28PM | Admin Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 271 |
The law does not require Nintendo's permission.Quote
mahern4
However, illegal acts are still taking place;
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Running game's on Wii without, again, permission by Nintendo.
No, DVD is a proprietary standard. The easiest way to implement support for it is to pay the DVD-CCA for a copy of the specifications. If you do that, you have to follow certain rules. That's the only "authorization" -- a contract by which you gain information from the DVD-CCA in exchange for following some rules.Quote
Wii is not a authorized DVD player. DVD is an intellectual property and not an open source platform.
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Lastly and most importantly, the Wii is NOT an open source platform. Unlike a computer where you can pretty much install anything you want, the Wii was created to have apps and games of their choosing on it. The Wii, and all other video game systems, was made to play their games. If you want a new game you have to pay $50 for it. You have to pay to play, in which Nintendo gets their cut. With this money Nintendo and other publishers create new games and so the system goes. Nothing is free.
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So yeah, I'm sure you're rolling your eyes thinking that these things are no big deal. Well their still illegal. Is it alright to shrug off one law and be strongly against another?
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 11:41PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 2,691 |
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mahern4
I'm not sure where everybody's from but in the US and the EU you're not allowed to use characters made by other companies without their permission. It doesn't matter if it's hand drawn or user made, you're still not allowed to do it.....at least in the US and EU
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Sephiroth
one of the great features of bootmii is the ability to restore a wii,if bricked...but the most common case of bricking a wii is because of risky software like WaniXXXX's and these apps are most likely for pirating!
Re: What's The Point (of Homebrew)? May 31, 2009 11:43PM | Admin Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 5,132 |
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